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Over at the Asimov's discussion group, a topic popped up called "What is wrong with SF." Another followed quickly thereafter called, "Not a damn thing is wrong with SF." The middle ground isn't covered, oddly enough *g*.

I was really glad to see the second topic, though, because I find the constant drum of folks in science fiction complaining about science fiction to be depressing. I just don't agree with them. When I started reading science fiction in the 60s, there were only a couple of magazines that were available at the news stand (and I didn't discover them until I was in junior high at the end of the decade), and the best I could hope for was a new novel every couple of weeks or so. The library's science fiction section was small enough that I read all of the ones they had and kept up with new purchases. I starved for new stories.

The times have changed. I added this comment to the "Not a damn thing is wrong with SF" topic about why I believe science fiction is in good shape:

  1. There's more new interesting science fiction in both the long and short form than I can possibly read.
  2. There are plenty of worthwhile markets that I can submit work to.
  3. The people whose work I respect are able to sell to prestigious venues.
  4. New talent is developing and appearing.
  5. There's lively, interesting and informed debate about all topics within science fiction.
  6. There are numerous sources for review and critical reaction to published science fiction.
  7. Although overall circulation numbers of the most prominent science fiction magazines are reflecting the general decline in magazine circulation, new magazines (many in e-format) are appearing regularly.
  8. Book sales and the appearance of new titles continue to do well.
  9. More publishers handle science fiction than ever.
  10. Small press publishers are now providing outlets for single author collections and the niche books that used to be shut out.

If these aren't the measures of a healthy field, I'm not sure what other yardsticks to use.

Comments

[info]kmarkhoover wrote:
Feb. 29th, 2008 01:23 pm (UTC)
There are definitely lots more markets where both writers and readers can approach. My problem isn't with the markets, my problem is with the increasing graying of the readership. That is a problem, imo. We aren't drawing in enough new young readers and holding on to them.

I don't think that's the fault of SF, but rather a result of all the other things a young person can do today. Let's face it, when I was twelve I could go down to the local water hole and try to catch frogs or read H.G. Wells. There wasn't an Internet or 500 channels of TV or VCRs and DVDs and cell phones and computer games and...well, you get the idea.

But to say there's NOTHING wrong with SF is whistling past the graveyard, imo. It's by no means on life support, but we must pull in more readers and keep them reading and active within the community so the genre can continue to grow. That's just common sense.
[info]jimvanpelt wrote:
Feb. 29th, 2008 01:44 pm (UTC)
I wish I had actual numbers so I could make comments out of knowledge. My sense, though, is that whatever is happening to recreational reading among the young is going to happen no matter what we do in science fiction. It's not a science fiction problem; it's a general issue. But I don't think the death of reading is around the corner.

My tendency, though, is to believe that readers will still find us in numbers enough to keep the industry afloat. There are always kids who enjoy reading more than television and the other electronic diversions, and those kids will become adults.

No doubt the trend of the last thirty years hasn't looked great. The fan base is graying. There ARE more diversions, but reading is a unique one. Playing an interactive game on the Internet isn't the same experience as opening a book, as any kid who does both will tell you.

So, I agree that we need to do what we can to pull in more readers and to keep them reading. As an English teacher and writer, that's pretty much my day job description.

Edited at 2008-02-29 01:57 pm (UTC)
[info]kmarkhoover wrote:
Feb. 29th, 2008 02:49 pm (UTC)
Richard Parks once told me, "Reading has always been an eclectic activity." And when you think about it, he's right. Reading isn't dead, but it's becoming less of a recreational activity than ever before.

You and I not only love to read for recreation, we read for pleasure. It's something we learned as youngsters because we had much less demands on our time.

I believe enough readers will find SF and keep the genre afloat. I reject out of hand these Chicken Little warnings that SF is dying and will be erased from the human consciousness. That's just as silly as saying there is nothing wrong with SF. But I would like to look beyond "staying afloat". I want the genre to grow.

Really good thread. I've enjoyed thinking about these topics in new ways you brought up. Thanks. :)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 1st, 2008 12:56 am (UTC)
what is wrong with SF
Pedantically, I point out that in fact, there is no middle ground between "what is wrong with SF" and "Not a damn thing is wrong with SF."

In order for there to be middle ground, the first statement would have to be, "Why does SF stink" or "How has SF gone to hell in a handbasket" or some such thing. Logically, unless nothing is wrong with SF, you can discuss what is wrong with it.

Whether the first topic actually adheres to its own description is outside the subject matter of this comment. 0:)
[info]jimvanpelt wrote:
Mar. 1st, 2008 04:26 pm (UTC)
Re: what is wrong with SF
You are right. I was responding to the content of the posts, which were more in the territory of "Everything is wrong with SF."
[info]zaraakinae wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2008 10:55 pm (UTC)
Well, I can't say that I can be truly objective about this, since I've only got a few years of experience reading SF, not to mention that I am a part of the generation of which you speak. It's sad, really, how much time most of my peers waste on the internet and in front of the television. Granted, that's not to say that I don't use my time to the best of my ability; I'm wasting time on the net right now.

One odd thing I've noticed about the SF selection in my high school's library is the common copyright dates. They're mostly written by authors such as Wells, Asimov, Heinlein, LeGuin, and are within a decade or so of each other. Nothing is newer than the 90s, if that. The copy of I, Robot I checked out was literally falling apart, while there were four copies of the most popular fantasy novel on the next shelf. I don't know whether this is an indication of the state of SF or just its relative popularity.

I'm not the most avid SF fan, but it is one of my favorite genres, and it is disappointing to admit that even among those few who do read recreationally few would ever be seem with an SF book.

I definitely wouldn't mind learning the titles of a few new SF books, though!
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 03:54 am (UTC)
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Apr. 5th, 2008 08:43 pm (UTC)
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