It's really too soon for another editing report, but it occurred to me, while looking through today's batch of submissions, that the vast majority (maybe 75%?) of the submissions are from people who indicate they've sold fiction somewhere else before. Occasionally I'll get a story from someone who has been published in one of the bigger venues, but almost all the other publishing credits are from the small press.
What I find interesting about this is I'd written an article some time ago about the slush pile ("Perseverance, Publishing and the Urge to Write") where I suggested that a significant portion of stories in the slush pile are written by authors who submit one work, are rejected, and then give up. I encouraged writers to persevere, which I still think is the best advice I can give, but my slush pile leads me to believe that a much of the slush pile is from previously published folks who are still working at writing and sending stuff out.
I wonder if my slush pile is odd. Perhaps it is because the way someone could find out about the anthology would be through channels only folks who already have some knowledge about publishing would be paying attention to, like Ralan.com or the mystery/horror writers' bulletin boards. Realms of Fantasy, Analog or Asimov's, however, are highly visible and a first time author might send a story their way, not realizing there were other markets. Besides, they might be following the good advice most experienced writers give, which is to submit from the top down.
Hmmm. I don't have a conclusion to make from this observation, but it is interesting to me that there's this roiling of submissions in the slush piles of writers who have already sold work and are continuing to market their wares. There's a significant subculture of writers who have sold work only to tiny markets, many of them (but not all!) trying to make a movement up.
Oh, I've received around 50 more manuscripts since I posted fifteen days ago.
I think it would be fun to find out how many times writers were rejected before their first manuscript sold. For me, I started submitting work in the early 80s, although it wasn't very many pieces in those first years (maybe just a handful of submissions a year?--I'll have to look it up), but I didn't make my first sale of any kind until 1987 or so, which was a poem to Star*Line, the official magazine of the Science Fiction Poetry Association. So, my number of rejections before my first sale was, I'd guess, 30. I didn't sell my first story until 1990, but I'd started submitting heavily in 1988, so I'll bet I'd been bounced 150 times by then.
How many rejects did you have before you sold your first piece?
What I find interesting about this is I'd written an article some time ago about the slush pile ("Perseverance, Publishing and the Urge to Write") where I suggested that a significant portion of stories in the slush pile are written by authors who submit one work, are rejected, and then give up. I encouraged writers to persevere, which I still think is the best advice I can give, but my slush pile leads me to believe that a much of the slush pile is from previously published folks who are still working at writing and sending stuff out.
I wonder if my slush pile is odd. Perhaps it is because the way someone could find out about the anthology would be through channels only folks who already have some knowledge about publishing would be paying attention to, like Ralan.com or the mystery/horror writers' bulletin boards. Realms of Fantasy, Analog or Asimov's, however, are highly visible and a first time author might send a story their way, not realizing there were other markets. Besides, they might be following the good advice most experienced writers give, which is to submit from the top down.
Hmmm. I don't have a conclusion to make from this observation, but it is interesting to me that there's this roiling of submissions in the slush piles of writers who have already sold work and are continuing to market their wares. There's a significant subculture of writers who have sold work only to tiny markets, many of them (but not all!) trying to make a movement up.
Oh, I've received around 50 more manuscripts since I posted fifteen days ago.
I think it would be fun to find out how many times writers were rejected before their first manuscript sold. For me, I started submitting work in the early 80s, although it wasn't very many pieces in those first years (maybe just a handful of submissions a year?--I'll have to look it up), but I didn't make my first sale of any kind until 1987 or so, which was a poem to Star*Line, the official magazine of the Science Fiction Poetry Association. So, my number of rejections before my first sale was, I'd guess, 30. I didn't sell my first story until 1990, but I'd started submitting heavily in 1988, so I'll bet I'd been bounced 150 times by then.
How many rejects did you have before you sold your first piece?
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I would never dream of having claimed to sell to a market if I hadn't done so. That way madness lies.
The one thing I never know whether I should put in a cover letter is that the magazine I'm subbing to has published me before. I did once try a "you were kind enough to publish a story of mine..." and it just sounded wrong, so I gave up.
I hated her.
I was trying to make a sale when I should have been trying to get rejected.
Grrrrrrrr, now you tell me.
A while ago, the distributor who served Uncle Hugo's and Dreamhaven decided (without telling customers) to stop carrying those magazines. The bookstore owners didn't consider it worthwhile to arrange for other ways of getting copies to sell. Borders also stopped carrying them.
Shinders News (a local chain) did have them. However, the owner of Shinders apparently spent money which should have gone to pay the business's bills on drugs and guns. The stores are now closed.
Barnes & Noble had them, but no longer does.
It may be that I was just flat out wrong about a lot of authors giving up after one submission. There may be a lot who quit after a bunch of submissions if they never sell.
I may have to just admit that I have a shallow learning curve.
course, I had very odd notions about the industry then, such as if a story fails one place it's not good at all.
or, you only need to get that first sale to break in- that's not true (it's not even true for a couple of pro short sales!). I was lucky to begin with: 6 months to 1st sale; 4 more in 3 months, and then over a year before the next one!
So, I'm basically normalizing now.
(I have yet to sell a story after one rejection on it, which is a bit of a worry to me).
you know, there's a huge turnaround in venues as well; and if someone really puts in an effort you can easily get a sale somewhere. Which is maybe why your pile looks like as published as it does, I don't know.
Over the two years that I've been doing this, I've sort of shortlisted a group of markets, ones that I like, ranging from pro to smaller venues. I keep an eye on anthos, but those are my markets, and the only ones that I'm interested in selling at.
but, everyone has different takes on the biz so..
Sadly, it's been mostly downhill since then... three other sales, none at pro rates. 77 rejections as well.
I'm certainly not convinced there are many writers who submit once, get a reject, and never try again. I know of people who've been subbing for twenty years and have never had a story accepted; I find myself dumbstruck by that level of persistence, which requires a self-belief I can't comprehend. But most writers do have a core ego that makes them convinced their stuff IS worth publishing/reading, and that keeps them going through the lean times.
Sarah
May try for Hard Boiled Horror - love the concept.
Kevin Lightburn
There were several rejections after that, so for awhile I was fretting that I'd done all my best writing years before and couldn't sell anything I was writing now. :)
Jim, it could be that you're not getting a lot of first-time submitters in your slushpile because of the nature of those people who write one story then quit. It's possible there are plenty of first-timers who just noticed the posting for this anthology and are trying to meet your deadline, and they probably won't make it. I remember when I was first learning to write stories it would take me months before I was confident enough to put it in front of a Real Live Editor. Meeting deadlines when I didn't have a 6-month lead time, wasn't something I could do. I expect most of those first-timers are submitting to markets open year-round.
-Sarah Totton
I've never really trunked a story. They keep circulating until they sell. I'm not even tinkering with them much or at all in between markets. Once I had a story that had been bounced from a lot of places, and several editors made the same comment, "Good story but a little slow." After, I don't know, ten years of rejections on the story I revised about two thousand words out of it, and it sold to the next market.